Archive for November, 2008

Browns v. Texans

November 25, 2008

Inexcusable coaching moves:

This was probably the Browns worst coached game of the year.  In addition, this one game will have a drastic impact on next season, as now a true QB controversy will exist.  But before I get to that mistake, and highlight 2 others that are absolutely inexcusable, I want to reaffirm my belief of three things:

1)      Savage is a genius as a GM (article coming at the end of the season).  There isn’t a single justifiable argument that the team hasn’t made huge steps since he came onboard.

2)      A good relationship between the GM and coach makes all the difference in the world (Chargers with AJ Smith and Shottenheimer, Al Davis, Patriots success)

3)      Midseason coaching changes don’t solve anything, they just create long term problems

4)      The head coach/GM combined position is enormous, and shouldn’t be handled by one person.  (will elaborate on this in a latter post)

Three inexcusable mistakes
1) The QB change

                Starting off, I want to be clear of my goal for this situation with the Browns.  We have two above average QBs, who are both young and will likely be in the league for at least another  3-5 years.  Further, as much as I hate Notre Dame (and thus Quinn in college) I want to see him succeed for the Browns.  Most importantly, the Browns must maximize the value of the QB that they decide not to keep.

The first reason why the QB change shouldn’t have been made is that Quinn really wasn’t playing all that bad.  Yes, he had thrown 2 picks in three attempts.  The first one, was a cleverly disguised zone blitz, where Quinn made an initial correct read (two LBs blitzing from his right, so look to attack that zone), but didn’t realize that the DL had dropped back into coverage.  Is Quinn entirely at fault in this situation, absolutely.  However, this is his 3rd NFL start, and seeing these blitzes and reading them only comes with game experience. 

On the 2nd INT, he throw a bad ball to Braylon.  Was this entirely Quinn’s fault?  Not really.  Chud called the exact same play, in the same formation (except flipped from Braylon on the right, to Braylon on the left).  The same CB that had just given up 10 yards to Braylon 3 plays earlier on 3rd and short, was guarding him again.  Thus, he was probably thinking slant to Braylon as well.  A “sluggo” (slant/go route) probably would have left Braylon wide open.

The 2nd reason why the QB change shouldn’t have been made is that as soon as the Browns turned to Quinn, the decision should mean, stay with Quinn.  Not only does the quick hook potentially damage Quinn’s ego, but it also signals indecision among the other players on the team.  Quinn had looked good in his 1st start, ok in his 2nd, and was obviously having some issues in his 3rd.  This shouldn’t have been a surprise, seeing that very few rookies (essentially what Quinn is), take the ball in game 1 and excel the rest of their careers (both Payton Manning and Troy Aikman led teams to 1-15 records).  Collectively, their numbers were terrible, but the teams were committed to letting them learn on the job, which is what the Browns should have done with Quinn.

The most obvious reason for not making this change, is that there’s no chance that Anderson was ready to play.  He’d probably thrown no more than 30 balls warming up before coming in the game.  He likely had next to no time in practice with the starting line-up (if he did, it was a mistake to not give all of that time to Quinn), thus he probably had lost timing with his receivers and running backs (Jamal’s fumble on the hand-off).  None of these things are Derek’s fault.  Also, the Browns followed his arrival with 2 false starts.  This can’t be a coincidence.  Is it possible the players had grown accustomed to Quinn’s voice, or at least his cadence? 

The most problematic issue related to the QB swap, is that it made Anderson look less valuable.  It was possible to believe that Anderson would have netted the Browns at least an early #2 pick, potentially a late #1 prior to the season.  Quinn reportedly was worth 2 #1’s.  With how Anderson has performed, part as I’ve mentioned was due to injuries and tough opponents, his trade value has dropped.  Putting him in the game with no practice leads him to look even worse.

Lastly, from an external standpoint, Crennel has just put himself in a situation where he has no chance of being correct next week.  Start Anderson and he plays wellà why did you give Quinn the ball if you stuck with him.  If Anderson doesn’t play well, then surely, Quinn would have played better.  If Quinn starts and plays well, yesterday’s decision looks even worse.  If Quinn plays bad, Crennel may be forced to go back to Anderson.  Obviously, I’m not going to make any of these ridiculous arguments that allow people to take both sides of an issue.

My recommendation: Start Quinn and forget Anderson’s on the team.  Make a comment to the media along the lines of “Brady was struggling with some defensive alignments he hadn’t seen in the pros before, and we wanted to make sure he knew how to read them”.  If Quinn plays horribly, keep him in.  Say something along the lines of “He’s our guy, and we’re committed to seeing how he plays out the rest of this season”.  This strategy leaves the door open to potentially keeping Anderson (which increases his trade value) and gives the team confidence that the QB they have now, will be the QB for the next 5 games. 

2) The 2nd inexcusable coaching mistake (which has been repeated numerous times before during the season) is giving Jamal the ball more than 4 times in a row.  He’s a 30 year old 245 lb man running and wrestling with 270lb+ defenders.  That tires someone out.  On Lewis’ 5th straight carry, he shuffled his feat and picked up 2 yards in a decent sized hole.  I’m not sure if Crennel or Chud makes these decisions, but there is no statistical evidence that proves any back over a period of 4+ carries improves his yards per carry after the 4th attempt (Football Outsiders research).  Let alone, a 245 lb. back.  Get him off the field for 1 or 2 plays and bring him back on.

3) The 3rd mistake, the aforementioned slant to Edwards for the 2nd straight 3rd down attempt.  I pointed out the Browns have issues running the ball in short yardage situations, but that’s normally because they attack right over Fraley (who gets pushed back), or pull Thomas who sometimes gets in the way.  My point is that I’d call any play, instead of the one that I called 3 plays earlier in the same situation.  Just a horrid, horrid play call.

Now to the position analysis (not as in depth b/c I watched the game in a bar)


I’m not evaluating Anderson, because he shouldn’t be in the game, and probably wasn’t ready to play.  Quinn looked OK.  He obviously made a bad read on the zone blitz INT, however, he moved well within the pocket.  Also, he overthrew a couple of passes. 


Harrison and Lewis played well, but they miss Wright’s pass blocking ability (more on that below).  Basically, all that needs to be done is to get a better rotation.  Crennel/Chud seem to view “change of pace” as 1 drive with Lewis, 1 drive with Harrison, not factoring in enough how tired one of the backs may get.


I focused on 3 parts of the line while watching the game.  The first was Joe Thomas against Mario Williams.  Thomas won this match-up hands down.  Williams made 1 play, beating Thomas to the inside.  However, the reason why Mario went inside was because Quinn stepped up too far.  So it really wasn’t a bad job blocking by Thomas.  On the 2nd time Williams “beat” Thomas, he essentially bull rushed him, pushing him in to Quinn.  Again, a little bit better pocket presence was the fault of this “beat”.  What’s always separated Williams from his counterparts is his ability against the run.  His quickness was shown on one attempted trap play on him.  Thomas blocked down on the DT, and Hadnot pulled from the right side to block Williams.  Williams ducked under the block and made the tackle.  It was an exceptional play by Williams.

Occasionally, Williams was blocked by Shaffer.  Surprisingly, Shaffer did a good job, and kept Williams out of the backfield.

Fraley had his 2nd straight bad game, again, repeating the mistake made in the Bills game, either not making the right line call to pick up the blitzing middle line backer, or not realizing that he’s coming.  In this game he tended to be quick to help Hadnot out Amobi Okoye.  I’m not sure if Okoye is worth that 2nd blocker, Hadnot is having trouble, or Hadnot’s just not seeing the LB come. Regardless, this is leading to too much pressure coming right up the middle.


Braylon’s dropped the ball.  A lot.  He could be over thinking it, but I really have no idea what the issue is.  The good news is that he seems to be getting a lot of separation from the guys covering him, but he just can’t seem to pull it in.

Interesting to see very few throws to Stallworth. Due to the camera angle, it’s hard to see if he’s not getting open, or just not a 1st or 2nd option.  Same thing with Winslow.  However, he’s also had an issue with drops as well this season, unfortunately, normally coming on important 3rd or 4th downs.


The two most obvious observations in the game could be made watching the brown’s DL.  First, and as usual, Houston struggled to block Rodgers.  It’s not their fault, he’s playing like a man possessed, and is holding this line together.  The other observation was that about 75% of Houston’s runs were away from Corey Williams (aka towards Thomas, or Leonard).  I don’t have the stats, but they clearly had a lot of success on that side.

The next issue, and again not unique to this game, was the lack of pressure created by non-Rodgers DL.  The team really misses Robaire’s pass rushing ability.  This lack of pressure from the front 3 and McGinnest gives the Browns two options: A) Rush 4 and drop everyone else back ( not working that well because it left Rosenfels way too much time to find an open receiver) or  B) Blitz and leave McDonald on an island against Walters or Andre Johnson (again, not a really good option).

The one non-Rodgers bright spot was Rubin not totally sucking backing Rodgers up.  He seemed to hold his own against Houston.



4 quick things I noticed:

D’Qwell has phenomenal lateral movement, and is a good tackler.  Unfortunately, he gets to the ball carriers a little far down field (mostly due to the DL getting pushed back). 

On Kamerion’s sack, Rodgers was triple teamed.  That makes it a little easier for the LBs.

I can’t wait to not have to watch Willie drop into coverage and have someone catch a pass within 3 yards of him next year.

Kamerion did a good job slowing down runs on his side (defensive right).  The gains seemed to come inside of him (where Leonard or Thomas were playing)



McDonald is really struggling in coverage, but the zone helps protect him.  I can’t help but think he’d be better in a cover 2 where his tackling ability was rewarded more. 

Pool is clearly the Browns best DB.  I hope he gets some recognition and makes it to the all-pro game.

Kick off coverage

Something clearly needs to be done.  I mentioned Alex Hall as an issue last week.  I’m not sure who’s normally on the kick-off team (is Vickers?), but it’s been a precipitous decline, and I can’t attribute it to any other injuries.


Browns v. Bills

November 18, 2008



OL: Tucker

RB: Vickers

DL: R. Smith

LB: Peak

DB: Holly

Interestingly enough, this is the 2nd fewest starter injuries the Browns have had this year (Redskins game was the fewest).  In the 6 games with the fewest injuries, the Browns are 3-3 (all three wins for the season. . . this is more than a coincidence).  Keep in mind, that in two of the losses, the Browns were up more than 14 points, and the 3rd loss was almost went in to overtime.  Injuries matter, this team, when healthy, is a lot better than 3-6

Below outlines the number of starter games missed for each game:

Cowboys – 9

Steelers – 8

Ravens – 11

Bengals – 9

Giants – 7

Redskins – 4

Jaguars – 6

Ravens – 7

Broncos – 6

Further elaboration on the injuries. The preseason starting offensive line has played 1 game together.  Edwards, Stallworth and Winslow have played 3 games together, and the starting offense (not counting the selective QB change) has never played together.

On defense, even if you exclude the Peak and Holly injuries, the starting defense has never played together, and Jones and Pool have only played together 5 times.


Pregame commentary:

Cornheiser is an idiot about the benching of Anderson, he’s obviously neglecting the factors that I’ve outlined before (tough schedule, only 1 starting receiver).  Anderson would have played almost as well as Quinn against a poor Denver defense.

1st half  summary

Offense: We’re moving the ball pretty well.  Some drops early on kept the team from putting more points on the board.  Quinn looks pretty good, but has been stopped primarily by good coverage.  He seems to have hit his his stride with Braylon on the 98 yard drive.  By the way, all the Brady bandwagon jumpers pointing to his success last week, look at 6-15 for 80 yards.  Now remember that Anderson put up better numbers with Steptoe starting a game against a better defense.  It’s not always the QB, and Quinn isn’t a light years ahead of Anderson.  He’s played worse defenses with a healthier offense.

Offensive line is having huge problems opening up holes, primarily Fraley against Stroud and Kyle Williams.  I’ve touched on Fraley’s inability to get push, but this is really bad. Lewis is running hard, but has almost nowhere to go.  If you remove his one 16 yard run, Lewis has carried the ball 9 times for 27 yards.  Not good.  I think they should attack the outside more with either Harrison or Wright, as Fraley’s inability to hold the line will be less of a factor


Defense: After starting off trying to pass the ball, the Bills realized that the Browns can’t stop the run.  Rodgers has been Rodgers, beating people off the line and making great plays left and right.  The law firm, apparently have let one partner go (Louis Leonard), and have done a better job than in previous games.

The LBs are missing a lot of tackles, and not filling holes well.  Davis has been hit or miss (almost literally).  He made a great play in coverage to get an interception, and has been aggressive against the run.  Leon Williams and Shantee Orr have played more often than they normally do on defense, not really making much of a positive impact.  Also, they don’t seem to be bringing down Lynch very easily, I think b/c Lynch is a lot better than I though he was.  He’s quick, has good moves, and breaks a lot of tackles

From the DBs perspective, the Browns have primarily relied on zone, protecting McDonald, which has left them with very little pass rush.  Look for more of the same in the 2nd half.  This has been working thus far for two reasons: 1) the Browns may be a better zone defense 2) Edwards is holding on to the ball too long, and thus doesn’t know where to throw it.


Game Summary

Offense: Quinn makes some plays (e.g. bootleg, and reading of zone defenses) that Anderson doesn’t, but the same is also true.  Quinn had two passes batted down at the line, and doesn’t appear to have the same arm strength to hit the 15 yard out.  All in all, I think he’s a better QB than Anderson, but I don’t think it’s as dramatic.  I’m also certain he’s not the reason why the Browns won the game, as Lindel should have hit the FG.  Quinn also did a bad job modifying his temp on snapping the ball.  Kawika Mitchell timed his snap on 3 separate occasions, resulting in 1 sack and 2 almost INTs.

From the RB position. This is about as good as you can expect from the browns RBs.  Lewis runs the ball hard between the tackles, and Harrison has the speed to make big plays.  Harrison looked good in both his catch and his run, but as stated before, needs to do a better job in pass blocking.

The best thing about the receivers today was their blocking.  All three starters (Winslow, Edwards, Stallworth) made great blocks throughout the game (especially watch Edwards and Stallworth on Harrison’s 72 yard run.

With regards to catching the ball this was an ok game.  Braylon had a couple of drops, but seemed to get his groove back.  Also, keep in mind that Terrance McGee is a top 10 CB.  Winslow had his own drop, but made a great catch at his feet, bailing Quinn out.  Stallworth is struggling to get open in general.

On the offensive line, Fraley was offensive.  He got pushed back way too often, and too easily.  Even more importantly, he seemed to do just an average job in making line calls, this is where he normally excels.  The rest of the line played ok, but didn’t do a great job of opening up holes, except for the Harrison run.  The pass protection was again good, but not up to the level we’d expect.  The high note was Shaffer not getting beaten repeatedly. 

Defense:  Obviously, stopping the run is an issue.  Rodgers does an incredible job, but tends to do two things bad: 1) tire easily, 2) get overaggressive and take himself out of plays.  Williams and Shaun Smith are serviceable, but more talent is needed here.  The loss of Robaire hurts a lot.  Clearly when any members of the law firm were in the game, stopping the run became a much larger issue.  Thus, te extent of Shaun Smith’s injury is crucial.  You can basically bank on every team running for at least 130 yards if Smith doesn’t return.  Any combination of the law firm playing more than 40% of the snaps is extremely scary.  Keep in mind, these guys were only supposed to see the field about 10-15% of the time this year.

The LBs missed a lot of tackles. Again, this may be due to a combination of Lynch’s talent and our lack thereof, as opposed to just our lack.  Further, McGinnest continued his horrid performance on the year.  I’m shocked that no announcers speak to how often it’s his zone where completions occur, or his side where contain is broken. 

The DBs appear to have done a better job this week than versus Denver, but I’m guessing that’s a QB skill issue, not increased performance on our side.  Edwards had at least 4 seconds in the pocket on every play, and somehow couldn’t find an open receiver.  As Jaworski pointed out in the game, he waits, not anticipates receivers getting open.

Series by Series recap below.

1st Defensive Drive

1st pass was deflected by guess who? Shaun Rodgers, who was triple teamed on the play. It was intercepted by Wimbley. I’ve talked a lot about Rodgers, but Football outsiders outdid me in their three game evaluation of him.  See link:

Tirico made mention that Trent Edwards struggles continue.  When a 350 lb guy jumps 2 feet in the air while being blocked by 3 people to deflect a pass, and an OLB jumps 3 feet in the air to pick the pass off, it’s really not the QB’s fault.  I long for Collinsworth and better explanations.

1st Offensive Drive

Not a drop by Braylon, but good coverage by the CB. Good 4 yard run by Lewis, left side of the line closed the DL down.

3rd and long – Dropped pass by Winslow.  Quinn had locked on to Winslow, and threw it lat, regardless, K2 should have caught that pass.  A rather auspicious start to the offense.

2nd Defensive Drive

Rodgers pressure – slows run.  He’s a beast that nobody can block

Good pass by Trent, beating an outstretched hand for a long 1st down gain

Willie good pressure –gets “sack” 2 yards downfield.  This could only happen to McGinnest.

Great interception by Andra Davis, again, another great play by the Browns defense.  Here’s where announcers say Trent’s in a rut, but actually, two very good defensive plays explain the two INTs.

Somewhat related, the browns are getting very little pressure.  I’m very surprised the Bills are attacking through the air, given how bad our run D is

2nd Offensive Drive

Good play fake and run by Quinn.  He’s very fast for a QB, and I like how he lowered his shoulder.  That will get his teammates on his side.

Great quick read by Quinn to get the pass to Charles Ali.  Good catch by Ali in coverage. 

Fraley got pushed back on Lewis’ 2nd run.  It’s good to see Steinbach’s back in the game.

A pass slightly behind Edwards, but he should have caught it.  By my count, Braylon’s dropped 15, not 11.  They’re being really generous to call it just 11.  Not sure what’s going on with him right now (something in the Ann Arbor water that’s making him terrible?).   That drop was weird, as you could see him brace himself for the impact of the ground, and then dropped the ball.

Good pressure by the Bills, the breakdown was on Fraley, who totally missed the stunt by the DT Marcus Stroud.  Not to belabor a dead point, but this is an example of where offensive line continuity is important.

Dawson nails the FG.  Thank god we didn’t need to hear his wife sing the national anthem again.

If you get two INTs between the 40’s, you’d hope for more than 3 points.  Braylon and K2 both dropped balls to make this happen

3rd defensive drive

Great line drive kick by Dawson gets touch back.

Starting DL in, and the run for 7 yards up the middle.  LB’s didn’t dill the holes well on that play

2nd straight run, and the bills are finding success.  This play was stopped at the point of attack, but Lynch made a good read to break it outside.

If I told you one of the DL made a stop for -2 yards, by beating a double team.  Who do you think it was?

Screen pass which S. Smith reacted to well.  Good tackle by Sean Jones.

Great coverage downfield, which led to a dump off by Trent.  Good play by the browns swarming to the tackle.  One reason for the bills failure at OL, Melvin Fowler, Butch’s 3rd round pick in ’02 (Ceremoniously traded to Vikings for Nat Dorsey, then signed as a FA by Buffalo. Never really been a full time starter).  He has no chance blocking Rodgers 1 on 1.

3rd Offensive Drive

Great run by Lewis, hurdling over Whitner.  Heiden did a great job blocking down on the edge to break Lewis.

Short yardage, and again Fraley gets stood up (his guy makes the tackle).  This, as mentioned before, is a real issue.

Good  blitz, not picked up by Wright.  Last year they did a better job of this.  Fraley missed this read as it was easy to tell the LB was coming from our angle.

4th Defensive Drive

People beat up on McDonald for his coverage, but he’s a great tackler.  Making a 2 yard stop on 1st and 10 from the bills

2nd straight run, Rodgers not in on the series, and a pick up of 4.  Leon came off a block well and made the play.  Rubin is in at NT. Rodgers came in after the time out .

3rd interception by Edwards.  This is was a terrible read.  Pressure applied by Rodgers, who took on and pushed back 3 lineman.

4th Offensive drive

I like the reverse call to Cribbs, very impressive play from the corner on the backside who chased the play down.  Quinn should have chipped that guy off.

Another attempt to Edwards, covered by McGee (who’s a top 10 CB in the league) and made another good play.  I’d rather see them throw a fade to the end zone. 

Browns do this on the next play (and more great coverage by the Bills) 3 INT’s – 6 points.  Not good.


Quick Quinn recap.  He seems to be making the right reads, getting stopped by 2 drops, and some incredible coverage by the Bills DBs.  The Browns normally get past this by running “rub” routes.  Will see how this develops throughout the game.


5th Defensive drive

Alex Hall needs to be taken off the special teams, as he slowed down before the contact. 

Great play by Shantee Orr on the 1st run (in for Kamerion)

Rodgers makes a play 4 yards downfield, the LBs aren’t big enough to fill the holes.

Again no pressure with 4 rushers, Willie was pushed so far out of the screen it’s as if he wasn’t there.

5th offensive drive

Starting from our 4 yard line.  Decent run by Lewis, with not much of a hole there.  Fraley’s really struggling.

Another 3 yard run by Lewis, slowed down by a LB that beat Fraley.

Should have been pass interference, but I’ll take the holding call.

Lewis should be replaced to try and attack the outside.  Fraley can’t stop Stroud, so the Browns need to attack the tackles where they have the advantage.

Good throw on the run by Quinn, good catch by Winslow. – 1st down

Play fake, and a deep throw to Edwards which he makes a good catch. 

Run of two yards by Lewis. Again, line not opening any holes.

Another play fake, looks like same route to Edwards on an in that he catches and takes another hard hit.

Fade thrown to Stallworth, who was covered well.  Stallworth should have been called for PI, but wasn’t.  However, I like them taking a shot on 1st down after a couple of runs.

2nd down slant to Edwards, which he catches for ten.  I don’t want to jinx it, but I think the drops are over.

1st and 10, big hole which Lewis barrels through to pick up 5. 

Lewis breaks one to the outside, where he stiff arms two tacklers to pick up 10.  Great block by K2 to free him up.  1st and goal from 4.  Here’s where the Browns have struggled to run the ball

Great play call to get it to Cribbs on a designed sweep that he takes off guard. Steinbach and Fraley pancaked their guys and Thomas destroyed his guy.  Cribbs gets the TD, but the aforementioned lineman deserve the credit.

6th defensive drive

Short kick, almost recovered by the Browns.   Not sure if that was intentional or not.

“Wildcat” formation, stopped for 2 yards by Shaun Smith.  DL did a great job holding  the LOS

Next play, some pressure from Rodgers and Wimbley forced a dump off.

Long run by Bills, break down was Rodgers not beating the block, and no LB fill.  Rodgers is too good to get blocked 1 on 1 by a guard.

3 of 4 straight plays from shotgun in which they have opened huge holes on the DL. 

Andra Davis beats his man and than makes a good tackler for 1 yard loss.

3 man rush eventually gets to Edwards who drops the ball off to Lynch.  He should have been tackled by 3 or 4 Browns, but made some great moves to get to the end zone more or less untouched (until the 2 yard line)

In this drive, the Bills exploited the Browns run defense.  They seem to have found a formation that puts the Browns at a disadvantage (3 WR, shotgun with Fred Jackson at RB).  The Browns react with their nickel defense, and Willie on the slot receiver (I wish I were making that last part up)

6th offensive drive

Harrison in for Lewis, tackled for a 1 yards loss (line didn’t do much)

Quinn made a good play getting rid of the ball and moving in the pocket to get the ball to Braylon.  Throw was behind Braylon, but he had two hands in his face.

3rd and 6 – Quinn looks for Hieden deep and was well covered (incomplete pass)

7th defensive drive

 Could be an issue as the Browns D had almost no rest.  Here’s where Rodgers play tends to fall off.

Andra Davis makes a great play, and law firm partner Rubin does a good job in replacing Rodgers.

McGinnest was on the slot receiver and missed his jam completely.  Another guy caught the pass for a 1st down.

Next run Rubin was turned and pushed 3 yards down field.   Rodgers comes back in the game.

Another run right up the middle for the Browns.  Rodgers went too far up field and took himself out of the play.  He tends to do that when he feels like the team needs a push.  This is where his 4-3 training sometimes hurts him.  In that defense, you’re encouraged to get through gaps.  However, in the 3-4, the Browns need him to force a 2nd lineman to block him.  The quick move there was the same thing that opened up the Browns to a couple of 10-15 yard runs by Cutler last week.

Rodgers does an incredible job of this on the next play, keeping the Bills to a 1 yard gain on 2nd and 5.  As the FO article mentions, when he messes up, he takes it out on the defense on the next play.

Jackson beats Andra Davis’ tackle (McGinnest loses containment) as they run for 6 yards. 

Law firm partner Thomas makes a decent play knocking down the pass.

Lynch was again very impressive in breaking tackles (this time Leon Williams totally whiffing) and getting a 1st down.

Alex Hall makes a good open field tackle on Edwards.  Williams opened up a huge hole by getting pushed outside by the RT

No timeouts, 15 seconds left, browns should blitz but don’t.  Pool makes a great play to break up the pass.  Jaworski has made some keen comments about Edwards waiting for open receivers instead of anticipating them

3rd and 6 and the Browns don’t get any pressure (again).  The DB’s do a good job in coverage and Edwards has to throw it out of bounds.

Field goal ends half.

1st Offensive drive of the 2nd half

Good return by Cribbs.  I like how aggressively he attacks the return.

Browns pull Thomas and they pick up 3 yards on 1st.  I’d like to see them go to more play action, especially on 1st down.

Lewis reads the hole wrong on the next play, he had a couple of yards to the inside, and tried breaking it to the outside to no avail.

Big 3rd and 6.  Blitz picked up perfectly by the Browns, but Steptoe committed pass interference (pick play) that negates a 30 yard gain by Winslow.

I’m surprised (and happy) that the Browns let Quinn throw on 3rd and 16.  Shaffer missed his block on Marcus Stroud, and thus, Quinn had to make a great play just to throw it away.  Stroud is playing very well.

1st Defensive Drive of 2nd half

I’m predicting a 3 and out here, based on a rested Shaun Rodgers.

Lynch stopped for 4 yards.  Look for the Bills to use that formation again and throw it to Willie’s side (he was again guarding a slot receiver)

Shaun Smith hurt, which is bad, based on more partners from the law firm playing.  If I’m the Browns, I’m rotating Thomas and Rubin, and putting Leonard in on pass situations.  Sean Jones also out (meaning Adams will be playing too much.)

Lynch made a good move in the flat to beat McDonald.  Forced out of bounds but Wimbley.

Big 3rd and 3.  Edwards throws downfield (after at least 5 seconds in the pocket) and beats Willie in coverage.

Willie loses contain and because of this, Lynch picks up 5 yards.  Willie needs to put out to pasture. 

McDonald forced a fumble by Jackson that was luckily recovered by Rubin.  The browns (both Thomas and Rubin included) did a good job stacking up the run. 

Regardless, I’m incredibly impressed by Lynch’s power and open field moves.

2nd Offensive Drive

Quinn modifies the play and Lewis runs off guard to pick up 4. 

Another good bootleg and Quinn picked up 7.  The Browns need to run more misdirection.

The browns take my suggestion and run a play fake.  Great scramble in the pocket by Quinn, and an even better catch by Edwards.

Browns go in their flash formation and line up incorrectly. Braylon didn’t cover Thomas)

Straight drop by Quinn, and blitz picked up well by Wright.  Quinn gets pass batted down, Anderson can throw over this most of the time.

Big 3rd and 10 as the Browns haven’t converted one 3rd down all night

Quinn finds Edwards on a bench pattern for a 22 yard gain.  Great pocket set up by the line. 

Lewis picks up a couple on a run to the right.  However, he seems to be chopping his steps before attacking the hole.

Blitz comes right up the middle, Quinn gets sacked and moves the Browns out of field goal position.

3rd and 17 picks up 8 to Steptoe, which gets Dawson close to field goal position. (42 yards)

Perfect kick by Dawson, right through the uprights.

Again the defense has been off the field for a while, so hopefully they’re rested and Shaun Smith is back in the game.

2nd defensive drive

Another swing pass to Lynch, which the Browns finally stop for less than 4 yards (this one picked up 1 yard)

Edwards sees an opening in the Browns D, and picks up 8 (penalties offset this play) Willie was again in coverage on the slot receiver, only b/c Edwards didn’t look to his side did he not complete the pass to that receiver.

Terry Cousins in the game. He subsequently misses the tackle on Lynch in the open field.  (he wasn’t the only one 3 other players missed as well.)

6 yards on the run when Rodgers is off the field.  I’d love to see the running stats when he’s on the field versus when he’s not.  I’m guessing there’s at least a 1.5 yard difference.

Another run up the middle for 2 yard for a first down.

Play action pass (surprised we haven’t seen more of this based on Denver’s success last week) Hall was fooled, but a bad pass kept the play from creating positive yards

Again, a run off LT (Thomas got held up and kept Davis from making the play) Rubin also in the game.  Maybe it’s a 2.5 yard difference between plays when Rodgers is in the game

Rodgers comes back in.  Bills pick up 6 again off LT.  Thomas sucks.

Rodgers tackles Lynch for a 1 yard gain.  Great play beating his man (Thomas, the RDE was beat again).

Browns stop Lynch in short yardage, and McDonald makes another great play stripping the ball, this time though, it was after the play was blown dead.

3rd offensive drive

1st and 10 from the 18.  I’d like to see a play fake and take a shot down field on 1st down.

No play fake, but a quick out to Edwards which he catches.  Good play call to open up the Bills D. 

Harrison in on both of the 1st two plays. 

He breaks a 72 yard run entirely due to the blocks by Stallworth, Heiden, Thomas and Charles Ali.  Can’t say enough about how impressed I am by Stallworth’s blocking.  That wasn’t something I expected to get with his signing.  Braylon also maintained his block 40 yards downfield.  The difference between a 15 yard gain and a 50 yard gain is often your WR blocking.

3rd defensive drive

Great thing about the previous drive, TD, bad thing about previous drive, lack of rest for Rodgers.

Kick off return for a TD. Like I said earlier, Hall needs to come out of kick coverage.  This is the 2nd time  he got destroyed on kick offs.

FO predicted special teams would be important in this game:

At least Rodgers gets more time to rest.

4th offensive drive

Bad kick gives the Browns the ball on the 43.

Harrison still in the game.  Bills finally stay home on the play fake, and force Quinn to throw it away.

Harrison makes one guy miss and gets a good gain off right tackle.  Personal foul called against the bills (bad call) for hitting him out of bounds

Good play fake by Quinn, if Edwards doesn’t get tangled up with McGee he had him beat.

Lewis back in the game, and Steinbach pulled well to open up Lewis for 3 yards.

Quinn throws a perfect out and up to Harrison (covered by DE).  Good catch by Harrison to stay in bounds.

Lewis runs left (Hadnot pulled) to get 4 yards.  Again inside the 5 has been a huge problem for the Browns all season.

Bad pass by Quinn on play fake to the weakside.  Quinn assumed that the backside would be open, and Lewis was incredibly well covered.

Quinn didn’t have anything open, and did the right thing to throw it away.  Bills knew where Edwards would end up (over the middle in the back of the end zone).  Whitner, was literally waiting for Edwards to get there.

FG by Dawson.  Browns need to take advantage of Edwards and Winslow’s athletic ability here.  Line them up on the outside and throw a fade to the one not covered by McGee.

4th Defensive Drive

Willie makes a tackle 13 yards downfield.  The worst part about this is that it was to his side and he was blocked by 190 pound roscoe Parrish.

Bills run it again and pick up 3.  Rodgers in on the tackle.

Here comes the play fake that I’ve been expecting.  Somehow Willie was left covering Lynch.  That didn’t work out well for the Browns.

Run up the middle, and Rubin and Rodgers hold up Jackson for no gain.

Fred Jackson just made Willie fall down in his attempt to tackle Jacksin.  McGinnest is back to his bad ways.  Rubin did a good job getting through the block.

 They just announced Fowler was benched, not surprising.

2nd and long and 3 guys are blocking Rodgers.  If the Browns had better 2nd and 3rd rushing ends, they would have a lot more sacks.

Screen play stopped by Willie.  Not sure if he read it or was too slow in pass rush.

5th Offensive Drive

Good run off left tackle by Lewis.  Thomas held is block well.

The browns can’t get conservative here and just run the ball.  As I’m typing it, the ball gets tipped and thrown straight up in the air due to another blitz by Kawika Mitchell up the middle.  Apparently picked by Ko Simpson. Looks like the INT will be overturned.

Big 3rd and 7.  The Browns need to convert this play.  Good blitz pick up by the Browns,   Winslow fights off coverage to make a great catch

On 1st and 10, the Browns run a sweep right with Lewis.  This was expected.  Again, Stallworth makes a good block to allow Lewis to pick up 4.

Great call on the play fake to throw deep to Edwards.  McGee was blanketing Edwards, and thus, it was incomplete.

Edwards covered again by McGee, this time the ball gets through and Edwards could have made a good catch there.

5th defensive series

Run off left tackle which picks up 4.  Williams got pushed back on that play. 

McGinnest was again in coverage on a slot receiver and his zone was exposed for a 10 yard gain.

1st and 10.  Another run up the middle.  They were able to push Rodgers out of the way to pick up a couple of yards.

 Thomas goes out and Leonard comes in.  Rodgers got pushed back by two people.  Corey Williams and D’Qwell got engulfed by two separate blockers, which allowed lynch to run for 20.

1st and Goal – QB sneak goes for TD.

Rodgers actually comes close to blocking PAT

6th offensive drive

Good pocket created by the OL, and a strong throw to the outside to hit Edwards for 12.

Lots of pressure coming from Marcus Stroud.  He beat Hadnot on that play.

Quinn has great pocket presence to avoid the corner blitz.  Winslow catches a ball at his knees to move the chains with a 15 yard gain.  He may be hurt on the play (actually not).

The Browns need about 10 yards to assure a FG.

Quinn makes a bad read to the corner.  This a throw where Anderson’s arm strength comes in handy.

A bad throw by Quinn to the sideline. I’m not sure why the Browns aren’t running the ball here.

I think the browns should run a draw here to get Dawson a little closer.

They don’t, Quinn throws a bad pass to Edwards which is incomplete.

Dawson kicks a 56 yard field goal. To take the lead. . . not win the game!!  Why are the browns soo happy.

6th Defensive Drive

The Browns are a little too happy right now, almost like they’ve won the game.

Squib kick to Jackson and he returns it to the 44 yard line.

Willie shouldn’t be in the game (I wrote this before his guy caught the pass) for 22 yards.

1 yard gain, stopped by a host of browns.

I would run a play fake if I were the Bills here.

They don’t and gain another yard.

They run a 3rd time and pick up another 2 or 3.

WIDE RIGHT.  . . .HOLY SHIT HE MISSED IT WIDE RIGHT!  I feel bad for bills fans, I wish the Lindel had missed wide left.  It’s like seeing “the drive” or “the fumble” happen again.

7th offensive drive

The browns get to sit on the ball

Game 8 v. Denver

November 7, 2008

Browns v. Denver



The offense played well, further analysis of Quinn’s work will be described in greater detail.  I’ll also refer you to Football Outsiders article: which also broke down his performance play by play.  In essence, we came to the same conclusion: Quinn makes, quick, not always correct reads, and adds mobility that Anderson doesn’t have.  He certainly forced less balls then Anderson, and made two or three that Anderson wouldn’t have made.

The defense was a joke.  Even with Smith, Rodgers and Williams, the run defense was terrible, and it seemed like the Browns had never seen a play action pass before (even though they saw at least 12 in the game today).  The corners were outmatched, as most teams would be by this receiver combination, but that isn’t an excuse for Jones missing coverage on the TD pass.  Obviously, the pass rush needs to improve, and that comes from getting a 3rd DL (outside of Rodgers and Williams) that can provide a pass rush (S. smith can’t do this, Robaire is better), and an OLB better than McGinnest at rushing the passer.  However, this was by far, Willie’s best game of the season, and he played above average.  I’m actually impressed.


Analysis after 3 drives: He isn’t making all the right reads, and seems to be eager to get the ball out of his hands (not necessarily a bad thing à see Charlie Frye who loved getting sacked then trying to throw the ball).  He’s been throwing very accurately (which was a knock on him from college).  It will be interesting to see how he develops in the game.  He seems to not trust his pass protection.  This is probably a result of not having a “feel” for when the protection breaks down.  Also, having all three top passing threats helps (Anderson only had this once during the season, against the Redskins) Collinsworth has been giving a pretty accurate analysis, but I sense he wants Quinn to succeed.  In a related story, Collinsworth is the one of the best announcers in the league. They should find a way to have him call every game.  The only person I like more is Kosar.

1st half analysis: Quinn is playing well, probably made 1 play that Anderson wouldn’t have (3rd and 2 conversion).  Winslow’s bailed him out on two bad passes, and helped him with one TD score.  He makes very quick reads, which is a great sign, but may actually do better by holding on to the ball a little longer. Anderson tended to force balls and waited longer to throw.  Keep in mind Denver’s defense is horrible, and doesn’t have its best two players, Champ and Williams.  Champ’s the 1st or 2nd best corner in the league (Asomugha – Raiders).  I think Anderson probably would have put up similar numbers

2nd half analysis: More of the same mentioned above, with two more notes: 1) His ability to move slightly in the pocket and avoid pressure is incredibly impressive based on two factors a) first real game in a long time b) Tucker can’t block Dumervil.  2) I absolutely loved him taking full fault for the loss.  This is what leaders do.  He covered for bad play calling, and dropped passes.  The team will get behind him because he’s willing to take the blame for other people.

Overall Analysis: Pretty much what I had anticipated.  He makes quick, above average reads and has incredible pocket presence.  I think his performance was helped by a bad opponent, and a full arsenal of playmakers (Anderson never had both of these in combination this year), but he certainly did things Anderson couldn’t. I still feel that it may have been the wrong time to bench Anderson.  I’d have rather seen Anderson put up these numbers, and also lose to Denver to give the browns more trade leverage.  Now we have to hope that the Browns can package Anderson for a #2 based on his performance last year, and someone paying close attention to the lack of support he had this year.


Another pretty good game for Lewis, but most of the credit goes to the OL who opened monster holes all game.  I’m shocked that Harrison didn’t play more in the 2nd half, especially as the change of pace seemed to be working in the 1st half.  Cribbs is a great open field runner, no surprise here, but I was still impressed with his ability to run by, around and through would be tacklers


Braylon made 1 catch, and almost made another one that would have been incredible.  No fault of his on this game, however, with Champ out, I’m surprised the Browns didn’t attack Dre Bly more.  Please keep in mind (and this is mentioned in my comments below, that this was only the 2nd time this year that Winslow, Stallworth and Edwards all played. Winslow had a monster game, and anyone who beats him up for the drop needs to shut up because he made three incredibly catches earlier in the game (two throws at his feet, and the third on a tipped ball that ended up behind him).  Heiden blocks well, and did a good job getting open (and helping others get open)


A very good game in run blocking, dragged down by McKinney’s mediocre performance replacing Steinbach.  Pass blocking was great for 4 of the players, but Shaffer was absolutely terrible against Dumervil .  He was beaten routinely on inside moves, and luckily Quinn made plays.


 A below average performance against the run, and a horrible performance in rushing the passer.  Rodgers wasn’t a dominant we’re now used to, and it could be the affect of the rib injury that listed him as questionable (he may have problems breathing).  The law firm was terrible in subbing in, save for Leonard showing some promise in rushing the passer.


It was shocking how often they were faked out by play action fakes by a team that’s below average at best against the run.  It got to the point where they should have assumed play-fake, before run.  Jackson was ok in coverage, I don’t remember seeing Wimbley make any good plays (he was unblocked on his sack).  McGinnest played well, even when dropped into coverage, but completely whiffed on a sack.  Hall played sparingly, I’m not sure why.


Pool played exceptionally well again, even when manned up on a 3rd receiver.  Either Wright blanketed whoever he was covering, or McDonald couldn’t guard anyone.  Either way, McDonald was exposed as an average coverage guy.  Regardless, he made some really good tackles, except for one miss when he had contain on a sweep.  Sean Jones is too keen on stopping the run (could be b/c he doesn’t trust the front 7), but it was his, not McDonald’s fault on the 92 yard TD.)


Drive by Drive recaps below:

Defense Drive 1:

Play 1 Browns were totally surprised by play fake.  Pool jumped the run.  McGinnest did a good job of reading the play (or could have just been slow reaction to run fake).

2nd play straight play fake. .  . could the Broncos see some overreaction tendencies or think we’re scared of the running game.  McDonald almost made a great play, but he was beat and the ball should have been caught.  Not too surprising, Willie was a step late on the pressure (even though he was unblocked)

McGinnest makes a decent play, holding contain on the one run.  Very little pass rush, only rushed 3. . . Jones didn’t blitz when he saw max protect from the TE.  Very surprised they didn’t attack the Browns on the ground more.  Rodgers looks a little off, listed as questionable for the game (ribs)


Offense Drive 1

You could have placed a $1 million bet that we’d run on 1st down.

Good to see the starting Winslow, Stallworth and Edwards all starting for only the 2nd time all season.  It figures that it happened with 2 lineman hurt.  Quinn made wrong read on 1st pass, he had the out wide open. Good throw to Steptoe.  Sucks that he can’t break a tackle (probably b/c he’s 185 lbs and shouldn’t be in the league)

Defense Drive 2

Cribbs is incredible on special teams, great tackle.

Good to have Shaun Smith back at full strength.  He made a great play not only occupying two guys, but also making the play. 3 play fakes in 6 plays.  . . They’re anticipating an incredibly aggressive defense against the run. Good play by Wright coming off block on WR screen.  McDonald got turned around in coverage.  He made up for crappy coverage by making a good tackle. Lots of play fakes. . . Willie did a good job reading that one.

Wimbley did a good job coming off blocks, Rubin and Thomas were both in, thus the 4 yard gain on 2nd and 3.  There’s a huge step down when any members of the law firm (Rubin, Thomas, and Leonard) are in

Wright made a bad play on covering Royal. 

Good stop on 1st down near the goal line.  This is where the 3 330+ guys come in handy

Denver did a good job doubling Rodgers on the TD score


Quick Summary: Browns have to trust that front 7 will stop run.  These are two really good WR, it will be interesting if we stay man to man.  I don’t think we have the CBs to do this (I don’t think many teams do). 

For anyone not watching the game, Shaun Rodgers can dunk a basketball forwards and back.  He’s listed at 6’4 350.  If he weighs 350 lbs, I weight 165.

Offense Drive 2

Cribbs was really close at breaking the return.  He’s very good at reading his blocks.  Very good job in re-signing him this offseason.  It’s hard to replace a good return man who’s also a gunner (that’s two roster slots)

I love how Donte’ doesn’t back away from hits.  Good route, good catch.

Lewis is a good runner, but sometime he runs a little too low. I’m nitpicking b/c I was so wrong in thinking he was done after last year.  Great block by Dinkins

Lewis is scary when he gets to 2nd level.  He’s a beast.  .  Browns can run pretty well against the Broncos (most teams can)

It’s good to see Fraley get some push on goal line (he can’t beat bigger guys, but is stronger than guys his size)

I don’t get a pitch play to Lewis, struggles inside the 5 continue. . . I don’t know why they don’t split Braylon and Winslow and throw a fade, especially without Champ on the field.

Great job sticking in the pocket by Quinn, and a beautiful pass.  Dumervil embarrassed Shaffer, who somehow is getting worse as the season progresses.  He belongs at guard.  The browns need to draft a RT who can pass protect.

Defense Drive 3

Someone explain to me how Cribbs is in on every special teams tackle.

Again a play fake.  . . Davis was fooled and kept coming.  Still playing man to man on defense.

The stretch play worked b/c Davis overran the whole, and Leonard got beat (down)

Better coverage by the browns in a zone.

Good play by McGinnest, not sure why it was 5 yards down field. 

McGinnest got decent pressure (probably his best game this year) although he gave Cutler the corner.

Terry cousin dropped a pick because he shouldn’t be in the league

Offense Drive 3

Great blocking by the line.  I’m getting a Hadnot jersey.  Not sure why Steptoe was in the backfield expected to block (he dove in front of his guy well)

I like the screen.  Not sure why Collinsworth is living in Quinn’s jock strap.  He’s made 1 good read and 1 bad one, and threw two short passes to open receivers.  This is praise worthy?

Great moves making two guys fall down by Harrison on the run .  Heiden and Shaffer made great blocks.  Maybe it’s a Hieden jersey (depends on how many years he has left on his contract.)

Thomas can lock down a defensive lineman.    He’s great.

Cribbs had a great block, this is what Steptoe couldn’t do the beginning of the season.

Good pass by Quinn, but that would have been an incredible catch by Braylon.

Great block by Edwards on the crack back.  It’s good to see him throwing his body around.  People who horse collar tackle should be shot.

Again, decent run by the browns, look for a reverse soon

Quinn made a good pass in overthrowing Edwards.  Made a bad read (#2), but knew to throw it more or less uncatchable

Again another bad read (#3) on forced pass to Heiden.  He had Wright on the flank.

Defense Drive 4

Cribbs made another tackle on special teams.  I wonder how many guys are assigned to block him and how he always beats them.

Hall bit hard on the play flake (I’ve lost count, I think number 8, good play by wright in coverage

Hold on the Broncos (TE couldn’t block Shaun Smith 2 on 1 with tackle).  Which was an impressive play by Smith.  He’s not a top DL, but he’s a legitimate starter.  With him in the league 5 years, Williams, 5 years, and Rodgers 8, the DL should be good for the next two.

Bad throw by Cutler, not sure who he was looking for (on Pool interception).  Great job hiding the coverage.  It looked like man to start but switched to a two 2 deep prior to the snap.  Could be why Cutler misread the coverage.

Offense Drive 4

Ali isn’t as good a blocker as Vickers, and wasn’t able to open the hole on 1st down.

Again, Quinn seems to be very quick to get rid of the ball.  I’d like to see him hold on to the ball longer to see what opens up.  It was a good throw to Heiden

Good pass by Quinn, great play by Winslow beating the coverage to score


Defense Drive 5

I think the Broncos are getting away with holds

Big hole opened up.  .. Davis over ran in

DL is giving up yards now. . . not sure how they’re moving them so much.

Slip screen to TE (with McGinnest guarding him).  Willie wasn’t within 10 yards of making the play

2 of 3 lawyers in. . . running game not getting stopped. This isn’t a coincidence.

D’Qwell didn’t know who Torrain was a day before the game.  I’m certain that there were millions of fantasy owners who did, and this isn’t their full time job… that’s an issue.  Get in the film room Jackson. 

Not much pressure, again on a play fake.  Wimbley didn’t get good hands on the TE (who made the catch) off the line

McDonald wiffed on a tackle.  One of the few misses on the year for him

Another play fake (with the Broncos 5th RB in) that the Browns bit on.  Luckilly, Daniel Graham can’t catch

Willie completely missed on an easy sack.  He sucks.  

For some reason, Crennel accepted the offensive pass interference penalty (3rd and 8 on the 15),  This is just stupid.  Crennel is an idiot for accepting that penalty.


Offense Drive 5

Winslow makes a great catch on an under throw by Quinn.  Shaffer beat again by Dumervil.

Decent blocking on the right side.  Shaffer is a good run blocker.

Quinn makes really good quick reads.  Exceptional 3rd and 2 conversion, looking off Winslow and throwing to Heiden.  Anderson doesn’t make that play.  (the 1st one of the day that showed why he’s better than Anderson).  Nothing was impressive before then.

Again, another way too quick throw by Quinn, he had plenty of time and forced it – although with the way Tucker is (not) blocking Dumervil, I understand this hesitation.  Winslow bails him out on the catch (absolutely incredible catch)

I have no idea what Crennel was doing letting the clock run down.  He’s an idiot.  Just because Dawson made the kick, doesn’t make it the right call.  At 4th and 2 from the opponents 35 you go for it.

Defense Drive 6

 Great job kicking it through the end zone on the KO.

Loved that hall was in (not McGinnest) on Denver’s two minute drive – Hall subsequently pulled.

Prevent defense is ok.  . .but they need to get more pressure on Cutler with the 4 rushers.  McGinnest can’t do.

I love Shaun Rodgers getting back and making tacklers after pass rushing.

Great tipped pass by Williams.

Rodgers cheated on a pass rush, and got caught on the Cutler run.

Great pass rush by McGinnest and Leonard, Pool made another great play in coverage.  Marshall alligator armed that pass.

1st half summary – not QB

Lewis and Harrison combination looks pretty good, and the OL is opening up holes.  Shaffer is having huge issues stopping Dumervil’s inside move, but the rest of the line looks good.  Again, the team got stopped a couple of times inside the 5, but Fraley’s getting a better push than in other games (probably due to the size of the defense)

On the defense, the team is routinely getting faked out badly by play action passes.  The run defense is ok, but the law firm is playing a lot.  Leonard actually looked good in pass rush, and he should be the 3rd lineman out there (not Shaun smith) in obvious pass situations.  CBs are doing poor in man coverage, but these are two very good WRs.


2nd half

1st offensive drive

Good start to 2nd half, Brady put the ball on money to Edwards, who made a great move on the slant (and catch). Lewis had a decent run, not much push by McKinney.  They running with more success to the right, b/c McKinney doesn’t move people, just earns a draw at best.  Quinn’s pass to Ali was behind him, which forced the carry for no gain. 2nd time Quinn faced 3rd and long, he did an incredible job of avoiding an unblocked defender and finding the open receiver (Stallworth).  This is a play Anderson doesn’t make.   Quinn did a good job stepping up in the pocket and forced a ball to Braylon (good play by Dre Bly).  Great direct snap play to Cribbs who made the LB look like McGinnest (whiff on an open field tackle). Another good job by Quinn moving in the pocket. Ali made a terrible block that allowed Lewis to get tackled for a loss. Again, Quinn threw the pass too early and missed Winslow – again probably due to not having a good feel for timing, results in field goal

1st defensive drive

Another play action pass, another totally surprised browns defense and bad man to man coverage on the corners.  Stopped the run to the 6th string (7th round pick) RB. Another play action pass, with a perfect throw and catch. Good coverage by D’Qwell. Good run defense, Rodgers took on two guys, and kept the play on the – side of the LOS. Good pass from Cutler on slant, good coverage by Pool, with an even better tackle. Broncos shouldn’t be able to run over the Browns like that. (3 on 2 blocking), gave them the 1st down and 4 yards on 3rd and 1.  Same play, same result.  . Rodgers is tired. (and now hurt)  This is the worst possible injury for the Browns.  This means the law firm plays way too much.  Hopefully he comes back.

Bad snap. . Heads up play by Cutler to down it. McDonald made a great play in 1 on 1 coverage on Marshall. 

Not sure why he’s guarding Marshall 1 on 1, but that’s a different story.

2nd offensive Drive

Cribbs is a very good return guy. He’s fearless, and reads his blocks well.

Decent run by Lewis to the right, for 1 yard gain.  Hole opened by Heiden and Shaffer.

Bad pass by Quinn to Edwards on the out.  Big 3rd down coming up.  3rd time he’s faced this (1 success, 1 failure so far) Winslow makes an unbelievable catch on a tipped ball (Anderson’s pass doesn’t get tipped)

Play action pass, left Lewis open.  Quinn looked deep briefly then threw underneath to open receiver.  On next play Lewis, for a change, doesn’t knock over the DB in the hole .  Leaves 3rd and 4 which the Browns run a sweep to Harrison (weird call)

I like the aggressiveness on going for it on 4th and 1.  Great effort by Lewis.  I love the fact that it was a quick snap.  Collinsworth gave Ali credit for a good block but he missed it.  On the next play he missed again. (Vickers is much better)

I don’t get how WR (Edwards) jump offside.  Just look at the ball, then run.

Another quick read by Quinn, throwing to the open Heiden.  It’s again a quick, underneath pass.  It’s tough to compare Quinn to Anderson b/c they seem to be calling different types of plays.  Regardless, Chud seems to have a good feel for what works and what doesn’t with Quinn

Great pass on the run by Quinn to Edwards.  Great catch by Edwards. (called back on Winslow penalty). Slip screen from Quinn to Stallworth on 3rd and 16.  I don’t get this play.  I’d like to see them try and get Braylon isolated downfield.


2nd Defensive Drive

They show the Drive prior to the play, then the Broncos throw a 92 yard touchdown, McDonald beat by Royal.  The NFL network needs to get kicked in the balls.  If they show the fumble then we fumble, I’m sending a letter to the NFL.  Collinsworth did a great job of pointing out that Jones was also at fault for not dropping in coverage.  Not sure why he was sitting on the run (fear of the 6th string running back breaking one?)

3rd Offensive Drive

Cribbs is an incredible return guy.   Have I mentioned it before?

Good play fake (they had set this up earlier) but everyone was covered.

Thomas could have done better in blocking downfield on a sweep to Harrison

Good pass to Winslow, on his back shoulder.  Even better job of the broncos forcing the fumble. I’m writing a letter to the league.  This is entirely my fault.

3rd Defensive Drive

Cutler great pass to Scheffler (he throws really well on the run).  Just missed the catch.  By the way, it was a play fake.

Good pressure by Smith, Would have been a great defensive play by McDonald if he made the pick (WR smacked him on the head)

No pressure on the next play.  4 guys rushing that didn’t move the line at all.  McGinnest is terrible in coverage. 15 yard completion results

Kamerion was unblocked to get the sack.  Hard to believe only number 2 on the season.

Good job of Cutler avoiding the rush.  Pool made a great play on the ball.  Broncos made a better play and made the catch

Willie makes a great play on the line, beating a crack back block.  Clearly his best game of the year

Good pass rush again by both Rodgers and Willie.  Cutler is taking advantage of the smaller coverage guys on the Browns.

Daniel Graham beat two tackles (D’Qwell/Adams) to score a TD.  Very good stiff arm by Graham.

4th offensive drive

 Bad read on 1st play by Quinn.  He had three open guys and needed to give them another half second to clear the coverage.  Threw it to the most covered guy.

Great reverse to Cribbs.  He’s a real weapon that Chud is using very well.  He runs really hard and isn’t afraid to knock someone over.  This is the reverse that I saw coming earlier

Good block by both Thomas and surprisingly Steptoe, to get 3 yards on a sweep.

Shaffer beat again by Dumervil, browns need to give him some help.  Winslow looked fast on the route.

Woodyard (LB for Broncos) has been impressive.  Stayed at home and makes the play on another Cribbs reverse.

Another great job of Quinn getting away from the pass rush (Shaffer again getting beat). 

Good slant by Stallworth, comes up a yard short.  Big short yardage play coming up.  Browns have been bad all season in this situation. 

Same play, almost same result, but Lewis fought through Thomas to get in.

4th defensive Drive

Good to see Rodgers back in the game. 6th RB just ran over Wimbley (who, in fairness, was coming off a block).  Wimbley needs to bulk up.  Another great play by McGinnest who fought off a block and came inside.  Defensive holding called (didn’t see it on reply)

Corey Williams with another deflection (which was actually unfortunate b/c Jackson had position and may have picked it off if it got through.  Not complaining about the deflection

Broncos play fake, Browns don’t bite and make a great play (McGinnest!!!!) in coverage.

Gave Cutler too much time, gets to 4th and 1.  Huge stop needed à Great penetration, but Hillis (rb) made a good play, and Marshall got enough of Jones to let him through for the 1st down.

1st down, 3 man pass rush – zone covered everyone

2nd down, 4 man pass rush – zone left hole for TE – 8 yards

Quick snap hurts browns as cutler runs for 1st

Again only 3 guys rushing (I don’t think the browns think they can play man on the edges) and b/c of that, very few blitzes, leads to a 12 yard completion.

QB draw just went for 20 yards, Rodgers not on the field.  They’d been in zone before, were in man for this play, leading to the long run.

McDonald makes great play 1 on1 with Marshall to deflect pass in the end zone.

Came back to the same play, and McDonald couldn’t stop him again in the end zone.  McDonald normally does better against bigger WR than Wright does, but Marshall is a very good WR.  Might have been a hold on Wimbley’s inside move, but wasn’t called.

5th offensive Drive

65 yards to go  – Quinn’s first big drive

Good read to winslow underneath.  . . Horse collar should have been called but wasn’t.  Quinn moves really well in the pocket.

Quinn moved to early away from the pocket on 2nd down. 

On 3rd down, makes a bad throw to wright, at his feet.

Winslow had the ball go right threw his hands.  Played a very good game, bad time to drop the pass.


Quinn for Anderson and Steinbach’s injury

November 4, 2008

No comment on the game since I was at the wedding, however, I promise that after two lackluster performances and one no-show, I will put out a “Giants” like effort for the Denver game.


Two threads however: On the Quinn for Anderson move.

                Make no mistake about it, I don’t think Anderson is a top 10 QB in the NFL and I think Quinn would be.  Despite that assessment, this isn’t how you switch QBs, as the browns seemed to not value to other aspects of this move that could affect the team much longer term:

1)      The goal with this situation is to get some value from one of the QBs that the team decides not to keep in 2009, whichever QB that is.  Benching Anderson after playing against the top 5 and #9 defenses (using the not perfect, passing yards) or 5 of the top 11 defenses using Football Outsiders Value over Average statistics) isn’t the right move.  Clearly his performance doesn’t show his true capability against these defenses, without taking into consideration:

a.       Winslow’s injuries

b.      Edwards’ dropped balls

c.       OL lack of continuity

d.      Stallworth, Jurevicous etc. #2 WR injuries

Adding in just Braylon’s 13 drops, Anderson’s completion percentage jumps to a more respectable 55%.  In addition, at two of those were potential TD passes (leading to a 11 to 7 TD/INT ratio – which is better than Peyton’s).   If you assume 10 yards per catch (which is incredibly low based on the two long passes), it moves Anderson to the number 5 QB in yards per attempt.

Again, all of this may be an overly aggressive “Edwards based” adjustment, btut the other 3 factors listed above (including starting your #5, 6 and 7 WRs), and the incredibly defenses we’ve faced leads me to believe that Anderson hasn’t been having the terrible year most fans and reporters think he is.

All in all, making this move now, as opposed to waiting three weeks and letting him play against worse defenses (Denver, Buffalo, Houston) which may have improved his trade value, doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense, except for one scenario.  The Browns are looking to make Quinn look as good as possible, and he’s the QB they want to move.

2)      Browns management “neutered” (as my dad used) Crennel, which has dual impact:

a.       Lack of respect from players for Crennel to make personnel decisions on who plays

b.      Future coaches may look down on leading the browns for fear of the same type of move for management.  Don’t believe me, wait to you see the lack of quality coaches lining up to lead the Raiders)

Second thread: Holy shit, Steinbach got hurt

                No additional mentions need to be made about how important OL continuity is to a team winning.  If Eric’s out long term, the browns will again be down 2 starters on the OL, and be forced to use the 4th different starting line in 9 games.

1)       Thomas, Steinbach, Fraley, McKinney, Shaffer

2)      Thomas, Steinbach, Fraley, Hadnot, Shaffer

3)      Thomas, Steinbach, Fraley,  Hadnot, Tucker

4)      Thomas, McKinney, Fraley, Hadnot, Shaffer